Extraterrestrials

[Behemoth]

Since this topic (,which started offtopic in the "You know what's awesome?" thread,) was interesting, I'd like to discuss it here.

I start there, where the discussion ended:

I think there's life out there even if it's only one fukken planet and the life forms are just bacteria... (or something similiar)
anyway, truth is, no one knows...

Däniken also says that WE are the offspring of our stone age forefathers and the aliens...
which is written down in the bible as the genesis.

It's spelled Fuckin'. Just letting ya know.

Edit: Any biblical scholar (including me) will tell you that Genesis is not nor has it ever been an explanation of the origins of the world or humanity. It is a mythological explanation of the human condition (why we are the way we are socially). So Däniken is wrong.

first, I know how fucking is spelled.
second, and more important, the idea that it was written down in the genesis or not, doesn't prove the theory either true or wrong. It's just an idea.

I don't believe this stuff either, it's just that I say: "it makes sense and it could fit, so I see it as a possibility" It's just like the possibility that god could exists, there's no proof, but he/she/it could exist. And if the being "god" exists, what is it... but that's another topic, but maybe these two are connected. Truth is neither I nor you guys know what's behind the scenes and we will probably never know.

Just try to see things a bit more open-minded.

[RevolverOcelotRS]

Since this topic (,which started offtopic in the "You know what's awesome?" thread,) was interesting, I'd like to discuss it here.

I start there, where the discussion ended:

I think there's life out there even if it's only one fukken planet and the life forms are just bacteria... (or something similiar)
anyway, truth is, no one knows...

Däniken also says that WE are the offspring of our stone age forefathers and the aliens...
which is written down in the bible as the genesis.

It's spelled Fuckin'. Just letting ya know.

Edit: Any biblical scholar (including me) will tell you that Genesis is not nor has it ever been an explanation of the origins of the world or humanity. It is a mythological explanation of the human condition (why we are the way we are socially). So Däniken is wrong.

first, I know how fucking is spelled.
second, and more important, the idea that it was written down in the genesis or not, doesn't prove the theory either true or wrong. It's just an idea.

I don't believe this stuff either, it's just that I say: "it makes sense and it could fit, so I see it as a possibility" It's just like the possibility that god could exists, there's no proof, but he/she/it could exist. And if the being "god" exists, what is it... but that's another topic, but maybe these two are connected. Truth is neither I nor you guys know what's behind the scenes and we will probably never know.

Just try to see things a bit more open-minded.

I'm open to the idea, but their reasoning is flawed, I studied genesis, there is nothing in it that could even remotely be a reference to ET life. Now if this is based in interpretation of the scripture then yea, you could draw any interpretation from practically anything. Therefore if it's based on merely some crackpot's interpretation and more than just mere coincidence, I lean towards them being wrong.

Radical changes in technology/thinking have happened rapidly before. Einstein for example, Newtonian physics was the accepted and proven theory for centuries and all of his data lined up. Einstein thought he was wrong, worked out his theory of relativity and blam, we have a completely new concept of the universe practically overnight.

[Hadien]

I don't care. To me it doesn't matter, as our(or my) belief can't affect it one bit. If aliens exist, then what? try talking to them? Is that a good idea? What if they are hostile? what if they don't exist, do we still look for them? do we just stay on this planet?



And hey, if it turns out there's an alien invasion tomorrow, I just have to throw water at them and I'll be safe... >_>.
truth is, that's the best you can do, I mean you really can't prepare for an alien invasion. Our best course of action is to just continue developing weapons more powerful than nukes to kill each other and hope they are also powerful enough to wipe alien forces. (so in a funny roundabout way of saying it is, our violent nature amongst ourselves may actually be our best chance for preparing for invasion) At which it would still stand, the existence of extraterrestrials and if we should prepare for the possibility of an attack is irreverent. nevertheless, we would push out into the frontier of space, to try to meet them. If hostile, we'll push out in order to gain power to withstand them.

but what if they don't exist or we believe they don't exist?
then instead we.... will push out to explore the vast unknown, to secure a new viable place to live. To plunder the vast universe of its mineral riches.


regardless, humanity will still draw to the same outcome. and that's why I don't care if they exist. because in the end it doesn't really matter. and right now since I don't see an E.T. in front of me, and most likely won't in my lifetime, I drew up to the conclusion that right now it doesn't matter either.

However, all that talk is concerning their existence. that does not, in the least, mean that I don't find them interesting. as such, I would like to think of this thread focusing less on the question of if they exist and more about their awesomeness in general.

And this brought up an interesting note:

while I was playing spore (all last night...) and when I hit the space stage; never, at any moment, was I interested in technologically inferior civilizations nor their resources. There were always far more resources everywhere else and all the other space-faring civilizations took up all your attention, you never cared for underdeveloped planets. of course there are some civilizations that focus on inferior species, but more in a "humanitarian/caring" nature. you might poke fun that the same is thought about us.

[RevolverOcelotRS]

And this brought up an interesting note:

while I was playing spore (all last night...) and when I hit the space stage; never, at any moment, was I interested in technologically inferior civilizations nor their resources. There were always far more resources everywhere else and all the other space-faring civilizations took up all your attention, you never cared for underdeveloped planets. of course there are some civilizations that focus on inferior species, but more in a "humanitarian/caring" nature. you might poke fun that the same is thought about us.

Interesting thought experiment. Could explain why we haven't been bothered yet.

[Sixkiller]

I honestly think that the universe is too huge for life to only exist on one tiny little planet. I'm sure we will run into aliens some day when we become advanced enough. It'll probably happen a lot like in Star Trek First Contact where we'll have a few astronauts testing the first ever warp drive and an alien ship will detect the signature and show up having just discovered the planet. We trade information and bam, whole new worlds to trade with and concur. Manifest Destiny II: The Final Frontier.

[RevolverOcelotRS]

I honestly think that the universe is too huge for life to only exist on one tiny little planet. I'm sure we will run into aliens some day when we become advanced enough. It'll probably happen a lot like in Star Trek First Contact where we'll have a few astronauts testing the first ever warp drive and an alien ship will detect the signature and show up having just discovered the planet. We trade information and bam, whole new worlds to trade with and conquer. Manifest Destiny II: The Final Frontier.

Yea but why conquer Vulcan? It's a desert planet with no real natural resources. The best use of the planet are the people and the exchange/research of sciences.

[Sixkiller]

I honestly think that the universe is too huge for life to only exist on one tiny little planet. I'm sure we will run into aliens some day when we become advanced enough. It'll probably happen a lot like in Star Trek First Contact where we'll have a few astronauts testing the first ever warp drive and an alien ship will detect the signature and show up having just discovered the planet. We trade information and bam, whole new worlds to trade with and conquer. Manifest Destiny II: The Final Frontier.

Yea but why conquer Vulcan? It's a desert planet with no real natural resources. The best use of the planet are the people and the exchange/research of sciences.

Oh no we wouldn't conquer Vulcan. Like you said they had too much to offer us. We'd concur Endor tear down their forests put the ewoks in zoos and put Wal-marts where their primitive villages were. It's the American Dream.

[RevolverOcelotRS]

I honestly think that the universe is too huge for life to only exist on one tiny little planet. I'm sure we will run into aliens some day when we become advanced enough. It'll probably happen a lot like in Star Trek First Contact where we'll have a few astronauts testing the first ever warp drive and an alien ship will detect the signature and show up having just discovered the planet. We trade information and bam, whole new worlds to trade with and conquer. Manifest Destiny II: The Final Frontier.

Yea but why conquer Vulcan? It's a desert planet with no real natural resources. The best use of the planet are the people and the exchange/research of sciences.

Oh no we wouldn't concur Vulcan.

We don't agree with Vulcan?

concur = agree
conquer = to dominate/defeat

[Rydet]

I believe that the possibility of extraterrestrial life exists. As SIx said, the universe is far too big for our planet to be the only one with life. That said, I don't think it really matters.  Life on Earth is complicated enough without worrying about the potential of extraterrestrials. If they really do exist, then we'll deal with it at that time. Until then, we have bigger problems. And no, I'm not avoiding thinking about aliens because they're the one thing that frightens me...

[Sixkiller]

I honestly think that the universe is too huge for life to only exist on one tiny little planet. I'm sure we will run into aliens some day when we become advanced enough. It'll probably happen a lot like in Star Trek First Contact where we'll have a few astronauts testing the first ever warp drive and an alien ship will detect the signature and show up having just discovered the planet. We trade information and bam, whole new worlds to trade with and conquer. Manifest Destiny II: The Final Frontier.

Yea but why conquer Vulcan? It's a desert planet with no real natural resources. The best use of the planet are the people and the exchange/research of sciences.

Oh no we wouldn't conquer Vulcan.

We don't agree with Vulcan?

concur = agree
conquer = to dominate/defeat

Curse my awful spelling!

[Behemoth]

I'm open to the idea, but their reasoning is flawed, I studied genesis, there is nothing in it that could even remotely be a reference to ET life. Now if this is based in interpretation of the scripture then yea, you could draw any interpretation from practically anything. Therefore if it's based on merely some crackpot's interpretation and more than just mere coincidence, I lean towards them being wrong.

Radical changes in technology/thinking have happened rapidly before. Einstein for example, Newtonian physics was the accepted and proven theory for centuries and all of his data lined up. Einstein thought he was wrong, worked out his theory of relativity and blam, we have a completely new concept of the universe practically overnight.

actually, you're right...
but (I'm not trying to defy you), Däniken thought the other way around, his theory is based on the idea that we are the crossover between them and the stone age people (at the time, where's the missing link). and that the modern human back then was way advanced compared to the pre-historic humans. These guys lived in caves before and then (all over the world) they "suddenly" started to built huge and complicated architechture, round about the same time when the old testament said the genesis happend (~6000 years ago and later... I think - I don't the specific year...), so Däniken said it would be possible that the genesis actually describes it. That actually matches many stories around the globe, "where god(s) came from the stars" and also a huge battle is often descriped like in the old indian stories where two big cities over the sky had a figth till one was destroyed... that could actually be the "fight" between lucifer and god in the bible. anyway... that's only a part of what I know about his theories and I haven't read even one of his 30+ books about this topic. I know he did some research all over the world in the past ~50 years or so.
I'm not saying this man is right or that I believe it myself. It's just that everything kinda fits in the mysteries about the past world where other researchers try to find answers and possible theories in the past decades.

[RevolverOcelotRS]

I'm open to the idea, but their reasoning is flawed, I studied genesis, there is nothing in it that could even remotely be a reference to ET life. Now if this is based in interpretation of the scripture then yea, you could draw any interpretation from practically anything. Therefore if it's based on merely some crackpot's interpretation and more than just mere coincidence, I lean towards them being wrong.

Radical changes in technology/thinking have happened rapidly before. Einstein for example, Newtonian physics was the accepted and proven theory for centuries and all of his data lined up. Einstein thought he was wrong, worked out his theory of relativity and blam, we have a completely new concept of the universe practically overnight.

actually, you're right...
but (I'm not trying to defy you), Däniken thought the other way around, his theory is based on the idea that we are the crossover between them and the stone age people (at the time, where's the missing link). and that the modern human back then was way advanced compared to the pre-historic humans. These guys lived in caves before and then (all over the world) they "suddenly" started to built huge and complicated architechture, round about the same time when the old testament said the genesis happend (~6000 years ago and later... I think - I don't the specific year...), so Däniken said it would be possible that the genesis actually describes it. That actually matches many stories around the globe, "where god(s) came from the stars" and also a huge battle is often descriped like in the old indian stories where two big cities over the sky had a figth till one was destroyed... that could actually be the "fight" between lucifer and god in the bible. anyway... that's only a part of what I know about his theories and I haven't read even one of his 30+ books about this topic. I know he did some research all over the world in the past ~50 years or so.
I'm not saying this man is right or that I believe it myself. It's just that everything kinda fits in the mysteries about the past world where other researchers try to find answers and possible theories in the past decades.

I'll give you that it's a theory, be it a hokey one.

[Hadien]

I'm open to the idea, but their reasoning is flawed, I studied genesis, there is nothing in it that could even remotely be a reference to ET life. Now if this is based in interpretation of the scripture then yea, you could draw any interpretation from practically anything. Therefore if it's based on merely some crackpot's interpretation and more than just mere coincidence, I lean towards them being wrong.

Radical changes in technology/thinking have happened rapidly before. Einstein for example, Newtonian physics was the accepted and proven theory for centuries and all of his data lined up. Einstein thought he was wrong, worked out his theory of relativity and blam, we have a completely new concept of the universe practically overnight.

actually, you're right...
but (I'm not trying to defy you), Däniken thought the other way around, his theory is based on the idea that we are the crossover between them and the stone age people (at the time, where's the missing link). and that the modern human back then was way advanced compared to the pre-historic humans. These guys lived in caves before and then (all over the world) they "suddenly" started to built huge and complicated architechture, round about the same time when the old testament said the genesis happend (~6000 years ago and later... I think - I don't the specific year...), so Däniken said it would be possible that the genesis actually describes it. That actually matches many stories around the globe, "where god(s) came from the stars" and also a huge battle is often descriped like in the old indian stories where two big cities over the sky had a figth till one was destroyed... that could actually be the "fight" between lucifer and god in the bible. anyway... that's only a part of what I know about his theories and I haven't read even one of his 30+ books about this topic. I know he did some research all over the world in the past ~50 years or so.
I'm not saying this man is right or that I believe it myself. It's just that everything kinda fits in the mysteries about the past world where other researchers try to find answers and possible theories in the past decades.

seriously?

let me give you my theory:

ancient civilizations weren't built over night. ancient man has been believed to exist as far back as 14000 B.C. (if memory serves) the oldest civilization is thought to be around 8000 B.C. thats 6 tousand years of man migrating, hunting and foraging. the one discovery above all others that greatly progressed Humanity was agriculture. as soon as someone learned how to grow food, they no longer had to keep moving to survive. They stayed in one spot and began to build. and that, was the dawn of civilization.